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today on the show we're speaking to

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anthony lepay

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executive producer and showrunner for

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season two

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of the history channel series

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unidentified

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inside america's ufo investigation it's

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a completely valid question for anyone

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to ask

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whether these guys are still working for

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the government and are

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involved some sort of disinformation

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campaign because

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if you know anything about the

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intelligence world that would be a

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pretty banana story in my opinion

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but you can never rule that out in the

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world of

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intelligence deception is at its heart

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many different things

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are they covering up the reality of ufos

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are they

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or is it some sort of limited hangout

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where it's like are they part of the

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slow disclosure

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or are they you know some people say

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just merely

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running interference on advanced

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uh weapons programs and that's that's

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their true mission which

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which again going back to the navy's

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that these are not ours raises the

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stakes

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of that claim really high and you'll see

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in this season

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we we broach it uh head on as well

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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anthony welcome just somewhere in the

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skies thanks

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i love the name of your podcast by the

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way it's cool oh thanks man yeah it's

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uh you know we all we all dream of

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having ufo in our podcast name but

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i wanted to open it up keep it a little

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broad and um

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yeah we're still looking for those

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answers somewhere in the skies as as you

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guys

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are over on unidentified so we're

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definitely going to talk about season

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of your show unidentified but before we

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do that man i gotta get the origin

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story how how did you get

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connected to this particular project did

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you have any interest

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in ufos prior to this yeah what what is

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uh what's the origin story of your

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you're working on unidentified good

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question i'm i

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for years ran a uh website called the

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gorilla news network

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uh which you may be a little too too

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young you might not remember it but it

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was a

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kind of groundbreaking if i may say so

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uh it's kind of citizen journalism

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platform that also allowed people to

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create their own profiles

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um and kind of run the kind of it was

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like a blogging platform it also had

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an interactive editing function where

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people could collaborate and write

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articles together so

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and and then had a huge very robust chat

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platform very you know kind of in the

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vein of reddit

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um but but uh so but when we're always

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looking at we looked at a lot of

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intelligence related stuff

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and what you know government secrets and

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and i remember when the first disclosure

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project uh press conference happened

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back in the you know the early 2000s

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and uh stephen grier had brought these

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always stopped you know i never really

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been interested in ufos but that event

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and the fact that there were so many

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government officials

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um that for or former government

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officials coming forward always kind of

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stuck in my mind like that's really

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interesting

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and then one day literally it went down

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like this i'm at the history channel i

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i work for a division inside um any

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networks

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uh it's now called six west media it's

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basically an internal production company

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there and i was i'm just a freelance

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showrunner and director and

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and i was doing a film about bobby

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kennedy and i was wrapping it up and

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they said hey you know we had these two

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guys that we want you to meet

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so we went into a conference room and

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and there was uh

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lou and chris and

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they you know start talking about

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this program that lou was part of and

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uh and sort of you know what they

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believe which is that there are things

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engaging with our military uh pilots in

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that they don't believe will either

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belong to the u.s military or our

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adversaries

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and i kind of was just like what and i

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and i and i looked up who these guys

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were and and uh i sort of had nightmares

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about that and uh i especially the

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melons bearing and the way he spoke was

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chilling and that was the beginning and

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then they asked me to do the show and i

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you get to go follow these guys and find

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you know the truth behind what whether

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they're either totally crazy or there's

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something

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real there either way it was like going

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to be a good show you know

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because they're such fascinating people

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so i was like yeah absolutely i'm i'm

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i'm down for the ride yeah yeah i'm so

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happy you did man because i mean

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a lot of people have commented on all of

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season one and what we've seen so far of

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season two just how

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how different it is from most of these

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ufo shows out there i mean some of them

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god awful embarrassing and then you know

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the ones that strive to bring legitimacy

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but there's only so much you can do with

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civilian witnesses you know and and and

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claims

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and testimony but when you guys attacked

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this from every angle and having the

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people you

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had involved it did it just upped you

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the credibility of not only i guess

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infotainment as we could call it you

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know ufos on television but also just

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the topic in general

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yeah thanks you know we tried to do

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that uh you know was journalistically

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upped the ante on that regard whereas in

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it was a little more self-enclosed it

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wasn't you know in the sense that when

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alternative explanation you know

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terrestrial explanations if you will

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of these craft you know it was mostly

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themselves whereas this season

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interviewed other um

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you know experts people who spent a lot

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of time like bill scott who was a

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air force flight test engineer and you

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know his editor at aviation week who

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really became fascinated by the topic

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a lot of other ufo shows you know spend

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leaving that or don't spend the time

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they leave all that information on the

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cutting room floor and really are kind

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of pushing a particular agenda

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and we're tried to you know even though

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this show is definitely told from the

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alessando and melon and company there is

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season two you know season one you

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introduced us to the navy ufo videos

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speed with everything that's going on

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little on what the major differences are

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of the stories that we got because

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like hey you know might as well just see

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it it you know worked spectacularly

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reading them uh reaching out to people

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the underlying theme if there was like a

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subtitle for this season we kind of

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what i realized is you know there's

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years that you know we could really

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create an incredible mosaic of hearing

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as many of the stories as possible that

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narrow in as many as

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we could um and and the ones that were

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you know and really talk to those people

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figure out who was going to be

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you know as you can tell from the even

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the guys that you've seen so far

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winner of the navy cross um

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serious people who devoted their career

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the service of the united states

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25 never before heard stories you're

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people who are coming forward and pretty

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the military background um and most of

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the stories

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happening when they're in the military

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um serving

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so there's so so then so or sort of

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organically that

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that became okay so let's try to look at

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the patterns right

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around what they're talking about can we

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relate them to

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what the pilots are seeing today can we

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relate them to other patterns

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uh like nukes that's you know

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an ongoing theme that chris mellon in

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particular believes is really important

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that why are these things being seen

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around nuclear assets

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so that's that's what this uh saturday

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night is looking at kind of

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some new stories that haven't been told

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um

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that are fascinating and again just

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super legit people uh speaking

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the that the format of this kind of

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testimonial uh multiple story

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uh episode uh built just sort of

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organically about how we found our

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stories and then other stories started

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to come

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in you know people are constantly uh

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emailing lou

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with stories um there's there's so many

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more that

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you know we we just couldn't have time

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for or we couldn't track you know

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couldn't track down or or people didn't

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sometimes people contact him and but

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they don't want to go on the sh you know

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on tv right there's a difference between

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saying hey lou i have the story i need

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you to know about

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right and then agreeing to have their

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face on tv is

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those are big you know there's a little

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big difference between those two things

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right yeah

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absolutely and i mean well that's that

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brings up another good point

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how is it as you know the the producer

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executive producer and show runner

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um how challenging is it to work in this

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uh you know with these people that

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i'm sure some of them if we're talking

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all military

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that might have security oaths or um

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like you said

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remain anonymous things like that how

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how is it for you

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dealing with all this i would assume

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red tape at times and uh bureaucracy

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and and all of that to be honest we

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don't deal

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we're dealing directly with these guys

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as individuals we're not

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um we're not we didn't go through the

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public affairs and even even really in

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the first season

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we got these guys to talk um on their

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own

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because they felt it was so important um

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to speak out so yeah we kind of avoid

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i mean really being a journalist if you

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can avoid

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you know uh the red tape you do so

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that's

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know

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uh try to we're just trying to get the

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information out there

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obviously you know we're we're super

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cognizant of of not sharing anything

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that would uh divulge any

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secrets as you've seen in this new news

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that

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has come out recently they really have

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one step you know

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foot in the door with the government

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they're they're constantly we saw this

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i remind people that the the recent news

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about this uh call for uh

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a multi-agency task force that the

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senate intelligence committee is asking

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for

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in the new appropriations bill and the

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revelation that there's an ongoing

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program inside the navy you know we

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we disclosed that we didn't say it was

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in the navy but in season one

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in the last episode you see lou going

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and meeting with guys who are still

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involved in the program

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right and those those guys and you see

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you know lieutenant graves you're there

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right before he goes to testify

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uh in front of um members of that

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committee and others

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um and then he comes back and tells lou

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how it goes if you remember all that so

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the and that was all being coordinated

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through these same people that are now

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being

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you know well their names haven't been

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released but the the

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that new op that new program if you will

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um that that's been there wasn't you

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know that's ongoing that's

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been an ongoing thing that that blue has

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been open to say

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you know it's interesting now that now

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people are realizing oh wait

405
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actually it is going on and also you

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know and then there was just the whole

407
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crazy part about

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you know the pentagon even denying that

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lou had any part in any ufo program

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really interesting twist you know while

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we're

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working with him and you know we can see

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obviously that he's

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going to you you know we're following

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our cameras are there while he's

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in dc meeting with congressmen and

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others

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so that was interesting to say the least

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um i

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i still can't tell you what is going on

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in the you know byzantine halls of power

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that you know behind that series of

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events

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right that's that i'm i'm sure it is and

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you know i'm sh

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with time i'm sure will exactly i feel

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like in 10 or 20 years

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yes i'm gonna there's it'll all come out

429
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you know well hey

430
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i mean you know this is a clear

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indication that these things take time

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and i think a lot of people have to keep

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in mind too like

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it's not like the dod or the navy

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is just dropping this stuff because they

436
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want to i mean people like lou and to

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the stars

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and the uh the exposure that you guys

439
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have given to the work they're doing

440
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they worked their asses off to get these

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things going

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and get these things in motion so i

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think like you said these things were in

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motion

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in season one and probably even before

446
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you guys even began filming um we're

447
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just seeing the end result of them and

448
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i i try to tell people too like just be

449
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patient like these things take time so

450
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yeah yeah i think one of the fascinating

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i mean

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things that if you're you know people

453
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what's really interesting now is chris

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is on twitter right

455
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yep and i just was seeing some of the

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stuff he's been tweeting

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about you know some of this you know he

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he we get into this in later episodes we

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actually look back you know we actually

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have a whole episode later on that's

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that's really asking the ques kind of a

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nimitz redux

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uh looking back at the

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you know the nimitz and the roosevelt

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cases and it's pretty interesting i mean

466
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he says all this is part of the show as

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well but it's like if you read his

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twitter

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the extent at which he is completely

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confident that what both of these

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groups of pilots are seeing is not some

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special access program

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and that he's and he's run it up the

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ladder and that when the navy says

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it's not ours they're not lying right

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that's

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what it really comes down to

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right like if the navy is saying

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it's not ours and it you know you're

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you're left with the two the two other

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possibilities

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and and that's kind of like what marco

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rubio just said the other day

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he's actually if on the balance of

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things

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he he'd be happier if it turned out it

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wasn't the

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russians or the chinese because that's

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what would really keep him up at night

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is the tic tac or some of these other

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things

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you know is a chinese object

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zipping around our restricted training

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areas

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absolutely so that's where that's where

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you just you know

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i i always come back to that logic once

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you start playing out the

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the logic of that it you end up in a

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weird place

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00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:11,520
yeah exactly i mean the fact that we

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we can only hope it's aliens is just

503
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that is just a weird it's a pretty weird

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thing it is

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i think that's a i think people i i'm

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surprised that more people have not

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picked up on what a interesting

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statement that was

509
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right by a senator yeah yeah i know it's

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pretty crazy but hey

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it's 20 20 anthony anything clearly can

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happen yeah

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nothing would surprise me nope nope well

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let's talk um if you don't mind maybe a

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little episode specific um

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two episodes of aired so far of the show

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the first being ufos

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in combat like you mentioned and uh like

519
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you said we got all new military cases

520
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which is just

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amazing that this many military

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personnel throughout history are willing

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to come forward and talk about this

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is awesome and something we haven't had

525
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:01,039
before so what do you find what did you

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find most interesting about this first

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one

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equally interesting

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the the b-52 story i thought

530
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was really really interesting in the

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sense that

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this thing was just flying at the speeds

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that they

534
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,640
they saw it flying and and you know that

535
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:22,000
they were actually taking pictures of

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the radar screen

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00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,240
you know so frustrating obviously we

538
00:18:29,029 --> 00:18:26,720
couldn't get to get those pictures but

539
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:29,039
that case i thought was just absolutely

540
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fascinating you know they're in the

541
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middle of the pacific

542
00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:34,080
you know it's not the heat of battle you

543
00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:36,720
could argue that the case in kosovo

544
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was some sort of optical illusion or

545
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,080
something or

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00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:42,880
reflect reflection or even you know we

547
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:44,480
pose the question whether it was a laser

548
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,840
being shot against the clouds or

549
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,080
you know there's a lot they were in a

550
00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:49,600
war zone there was maybe a lot of weird

551
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,720
stuff happening right

552
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:52,240
there's a big thing zipping around

553
00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:54,799
whereas this thing was like just a you

554
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,440
know

555
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described as a real clear object coming

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00:19:02,070 --> 00:18:59,760
right at them taking a right turn and

557
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:02,080
then shooting straight up into space

558
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:04,400
you know this on saturday night we have

559
00:19:07,909 --> 00:19:05,200
a story

560
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,919
probably one of my most favorite stories

561
00:19:11,909 --> 00:19:09,200
that we have

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00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,919
with because i'll give you a hint again

563
00:19:14,470 --> 00:19:13,120
without giving it away

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00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,480
you know the really the rest of this

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00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,320
season is is is all

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we're just going to see more and more

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00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,000
military witnesses and and

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00:19:23,110 --> 00:19:22,000
in some ways ratcheting up their their

569
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credibility

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00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:25,919
because in on saturday night you're

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00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:27,520
going to hear a story

572
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:30,799
from a guy who is

573
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,000
uh sees a object in the aurora borealis

574
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,720
and has just a very really interesting

575
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,400
story about what happens

576
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:42,240
but what's so interesting about this guy

577
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:43,440
is he is a high

578
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:46,480
altitude survival expert for the air

579
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:47,120
force

580
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,160
so he actually trains guys

581
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,480
currently not for the air force but he

582
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,720
trains people to survive

583
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,960
at high out in a high altitude flying so

584
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:58,240
here's a guy

585
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:01,280
who is uh currently a professor but

586
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,159
had a long career in the air force in

587
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:06,000
particular basically is an expert in

588
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:08,480
everything at high altitudes you know 6

589
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:09,120
50

590
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,640
60 000 feet and above altitude right so

591
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,559
he's saying he's seeing something in the

592
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,159
aurora borealis

593
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:18,880
uh in this in the upper atmosphere and

594
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,360
that

595
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,600
you know he is just you know literally a

596
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:22,960
hundred percent

597
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:25,600
clear as not some sort of um weather

598
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,240
anomaly

599
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:29,200
or abs condition and that that is just

600
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:30,799
you you'll see this guy is just so

601
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:32,000
serious and he's just

602
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,760
such you know he's just an as an

603
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:35,280
advanced degree in

604
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:38,480
exactly that and teaches uh pilot future

605
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:39,120
pilots

606
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,120
about how to survive at high altitude so

607
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,720
he just he go you know he's constantly

608
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:43,840
just flying at a height

609
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,760
you know probably i don't know i don't

610
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,880
want to say how many hours

611
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,600
hundreds if not thousands of hours in up

612
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,880
in that area right

613
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:53,520
so that's just fascinating when you get

614
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:56,159
people like that who is like their exact

615
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,720
area of expertise seeing something in

616
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,880
that milieu it's just

617
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,960
at that altitude nonetheless you know

618
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:05,039
which again like we know human beings

619
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,640
wouldn't really be able to

620
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,400
survive like you said that's literally

621
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,080
his job to figure out where that

622
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,880
barrier is but um and when you hear what

623
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,480
happened what the craft does

624
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,880
you know you'll see from his description

625
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,840
it's clearly not

626
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,919
a you know a comet or you know some kind

627
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,760
of debris anyway it's fascinating

628
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,280
that's the kind of thing we have coming

629
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:24,960
up there's just a lot of just

630
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,480
really fast in in unique that's what

631
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,679
i was so excited about from a

632
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:31,520
storyteller point of view and just

633
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,320
visually

634
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,000
you know as you can tell from this

635
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:36,559
season we did kind of up the ante doing

636
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,919
you know these uh recreations of

637
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:42,080
the events and with some visual effects

638
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:43,600
and really working with the

639
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:46,240
the the people directly to really tr you

640
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,720
know

641
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:48,559
we were having them send us drawings so

642
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:50,799
we were really like okay what this what

643
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:51,520
it looked like

644
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:54,799
and really trying to get exactly how uh

645
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,159
what they experienced trying to

646
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:57,600
visualize that

647
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,320
so that was yeah that's just fascinating

648
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:02,320
um i think the other highlight coming up

649
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,679
for everyone is

650
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,679
uh we switch gears and actually have a

651
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:06,720
whole episode

652
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:09,760
about civilian um airline pilots

653
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:13,280
active pilots as well as people from

654
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,640
faa norad and and those are stories that

655
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,640
have never been told before as well

656
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:21,200
that's the show app i'll be honest with

657
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,880
the one that really sends the most

658
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:25,039
chills up my spine because

659
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:27,360
you have airline pilot talking about

660
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,400
something you know

661
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:31,440
coming way too close to you know playing

662
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:32,559
full of 200 people

663
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,400
right it's just there's something really

664
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,760
relatable obviously

665
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:37,280
for all of us and you know it's a little

666
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,919
different than an nfa team flying around

667
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:41,120
something when

668
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:44,320
you're uh you're in a plane um with no

669
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,960
weapons

670
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,039
nonetheless yeah and there's just a

671
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,039
bunch of civilians you know there's this

672
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,520
and these pilots you can really tell

673
00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:52,720
again

674
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,960
this is where you know the you know how

675
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,720
i just have so much respect for airline

676
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:58,880
pilots i mean how many people

677
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:02,080
every day do you know their job

678
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,600
all has 200 souls you know uh

679
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,679
lives in their hands right on a daily

680
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,360
basis and you see

681
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,080
that sense of responsibility and that

682
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,760
bearing when they tell this story that

683
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,039
these guys are not

684
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:17,360
and these guys know the skies you know

685
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,480
it's like they know

686
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,480
what you know weather condition is they

687
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,870
these guys are seeing objects you know

688
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,240
whatever those objects are

689
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:29,360
i really i will never you know i'm not

690
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,080
gonna

691
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,200
guess but they're seeing real objects

692
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:35,520
in my opinion and uh they're really

693
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,070
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694
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,919
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695
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696
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697
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711
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:24,710
well episode two anthony the triangle

712
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,799
mystery this one really stuck out to me

713
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,919
i had a uh

714
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:30,320
triangular ufo sighting as a child which

715
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,360
kind of

716
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:33,520
got me into all this stuff to begin with

717
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,400
but um

718
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,200
i really obviously related to this one

719
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,600
and it seemed like we really got to know

720
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,840
chris mellon in this one which was cool

721
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,799
so yeah can we

722
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,720
can we expect more episodes where we get

723
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,840
to know lou

724
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:48,320
chris steve all these guys a little

725
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,960
better

726
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,120
yeah um there's a really one of my other

727
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,880
favorite episodes is we go down to south

728
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:54,000
america

729
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,440
and uh it's kind of a road trip and um

730
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,960
he meets with a lot of uh active duty

731
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,720
military people including

732
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,520
literally up the head of the air force

733
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:06,880
for a large

734
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,240
country in south america who then they

735
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:12,000
have a fascinating conversation

736
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:14,320
and you really get to see lou uh in

737
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,039
action and

738
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:17,200
and kind of uh you get to know him a

739
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:18,480
little better and they either you

740
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,520
actually kind of reveal

741
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,200
something about his own experience which

742
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:23,039
is interesting in that episode as well i

743
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,400
won't give too much away there

744
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,000
yeah that's what i'm glad you picked up

745
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,480
on that i was proud of the this episode

746
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:29,840
the triangle episode where you really

747
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,960
got to see melon out in the field and

748
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,640
you really got to you got to see

749
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:37,200
his theory on this thing you know kind

750
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,919
of like

751
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,919
in you know david marlar he's not

752
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,600
obsessed to the point of david marlar

753
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:43,679
but but he like marlar

754
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,520
just believes that there's something

755
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:47,760
going on with these triangle craft that

756
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,080
that

757
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,640
can't be explained there's just too many

758
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,400
data points and that was you know that's

759
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,000
why we kind of leaned into that

760
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:56,240
the hudson valley story those you know

761
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,360
we went up there and

762
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,200
we actually interviewed many more people

763
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:01,600
that day um then you know we could fit

764
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,080
in

765
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:03,760
but there's just hundreds of people that

766
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,600
were just seeing them over

767
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,600
you know for over such long periods of

768
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,960
time and

769
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:11,120
clearly i'm sure some of them were

770
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,080
conflating

771
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,480
uh you know a cargo plane or some other

772
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,039
kind of plane flying over the area

773
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,120
but these other stories when this the

774
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,880
craft are flying right over their

775
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,120
house and hovering and you know when you

776
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,440
have cops telling you that

777
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:28,320
it's it's hard to disregard that there

778
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:29,200
wasn't some

779
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:31,840
very very large craft flying over uh and

780
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,600
actually what's interesting is

781
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:36,400
there's a connect a story from that we

782
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,200
actually

783
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,880
originally had in that episode but we

784
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,279
moved into the episode on saturday night

785
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:44,240
um the nuke episode where a guy

786
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,279
describes a craft

787
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:47,679
very similar to to one of the triangles

788
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,400
but we we

789
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,480
moved it you'll see why into this

790
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:52,240
episode um and we actually have two

791
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:53,360
witnesses on that

792
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,320
and it's it's pretty mind-blowing what

793
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,159
and and what how it changed his life

794
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:00,320
but yeah that hudson valley story is

795
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,200
just uh

796
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,120
you know i i was just actually st up

797
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,200
there for a little while and uh i became

798
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:06,720
friends with a farmer down the road from

799
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,720
this house that i was staying in

800
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:10,799
and i said yeah you know i just you know

801
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,840
we had

802
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,760
learned about these these sightings back

803
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,760
in the 80s around here

804
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,559
and he said oh yeah my my mom saw a

805
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:20,640
craft that flew right over the house and

806
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,520
just stayed

807
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,679
and uh and then his wife came out and

808
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,760
she said yeah when i was a kid

809
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,480
we saw some we saw this craft fly over

810
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:30,240
and we became so obsessed we used to

811
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:30,640
camp

812
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:33,360
out in our yard trying to see it again

813
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,399
and it's just like

814
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,159
all of a sudden it was just like it's

815
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,480
just a common thing for these

816
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,640
i live up there to see these things and

817
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,240
you're just like what

818
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,120
the heck it's it's fascinating yeah it's

819
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:46,880
it was such a large wave

820
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:49,200
too that of course someone knows

821
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,720
somebody who saw

822
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,559
something which is fascinating i mean

823
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:54,799
it's you don't get that that often

824
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,760
yeah and that when the when the whole um

825
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:59,360
parkway the tectonic

826
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,880
shut down and people got out of their

827
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,480
cars and the thing was just hovering

828
00:28:06,389 --> 00:28:03,840
right over i mean

829
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:06,399
again there's definitely as you as we

830
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,360
see

831
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,399
there are explanations right that that

832
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,960
you can you can argue i think one of the

833
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:13,840
i think

834
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,559
a really strong point that bill scott

835
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,080
makes in that episode

836
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,000
you know jim simavan makes a really

837
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,440
strong point at the end right that

838
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:23,120
there's no way they would fly a secret

839
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:25,200
craft over and spook people like they

840
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,240
did right

841
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:28,559
but i do think i do think there is a

842
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,080
strong argument

843
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,080
in particular related to these triangles

844
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,320
that maybe that is the point

845
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,640
is that they're tracking the reaction to

846
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,960
steve see what kind of stealth it had

847
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:41,120
right they you know they're basically

848
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,960
using these people as guinea pigs in the

849
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,159
in the same way

850
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,880
you know they they are interested to see

851
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,600
who is

852
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,919
who looks up can it be heard i don't

853
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,880
know there's there's

854
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:52,720
there's some decent countervailing

855
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,000
evidence i think

856
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,720
related to the triangle phenomenon that

857
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:58,240
i thought was really important to get in

858
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:58,960
there

859
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:02,000
but it does it just it does spiral when

860
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:02,720
you really dig

861
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:05,919
into uh an archive like marlar that

862
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,720
there's just so many um there's some

863
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:10,799
there's the the consistency

864
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,760
to these stories uh is fascinating yeah

865
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,279
that the triangles i think

866
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,200
are always begged the most questions

867
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:18,720
like you said they come up with the

868
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,600
theory of

869
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,600
of mapping are they mapping our terrain

870
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,279
that's why they're so slow and they're

871
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,559
triangular

872
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,159
um so that was fascinating that was

873
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:27,520
something i never really thought about

874
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,399
yeah why

875
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,480
why do these particular ufos move so

876
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,919
slowly and um

877
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:33,840
obviously stealth is one reason but

878
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:35,440
another is you know

879
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,279
are they surveying the area are they

880
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,679
gauging public reaction or

881
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,520
acknowledgement um i think you're right

882
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,799
i think there's

883
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,799
the biggest mystery laced somewhere in

884
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,320
those triangles man i

885
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,360
i i'm glad you guys tackled it cool i'm

886
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:50,640
glad we did it justice

887
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,159
yeah um well moving to just a couple

888
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,240
listener questions here anthony before

889
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,760
we wrap up if that's cool

890
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,559
shane on facebook asks you kind of

891
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,919
answered this i think at the beginning

892
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,480
but do you guys have government liaisons

893
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,039
that sort of guide you you know when it

894
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,120
comes to security stuff or

895
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:11,200
is again are these just people that are

896
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,200
coming forward on their own

897
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,039
no we don't we have no relationship to

898
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,200
the government at all you know we're

899
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:19,039
we're independent journalists we're you

900
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,480
know we're independent fundamentally

901
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:21,440
from ttsa

902
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,000
we have that this is show produced by a

903
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,520
e it's not i think

904
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,200
i think to set you know for a lot of

905
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,279
people there's confusion

906
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,120
um you know obviously tom delong is

907
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,120
involved in shaping the vision of the

908
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,880
show and it was really kind of

909
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,200
his impetus that that got it on the air

910
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,360
but this is a show produced by a

911
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:42,640
e so kind of you know we're following

912
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,279
these guys

913
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:45,279
on their journey obviously there's

914
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,120
things you know it's a totally

915
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,120
unscripted show we're not nothing is

916
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:51,039
staged but obviously there's

917
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:54,000
things that are happening because of the

918
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:54,399
show

919
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,600
you know i don't think who would have

920
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,440
gone to south america for

921
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,120
you know primarily just you know because

922
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,720
i don't know if ttsa is the money to

923
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,240
send himself away you know obviously

924
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:03,519
we're sending him on top

925
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,039
to investigate stuff um in in the

926
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:10,559
service of the show but we are also

927
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,760
following these guys along the way in

928
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,840
in their own journey and they are you

929
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,960
know actively

930
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:19,760
building these patterns and they are

931
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,559
actively

932
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,320
investigating the stuff and you're

933
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:23,919
seeing that in real time

934
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,480
so um yeah to answer the question we

935
00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:28,159
don't know we don't have any you know we

936
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:28,640
do

937
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,480
sure that they're

938
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:34,080
you know there's not there's nothing

939
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,600
we're not compromising any

940
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,000
security clearances or things like that

941
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,360
um but that's

942
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,600
that's about it yeah i i think that's

943
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,200
you know it's a good distinction to make

944
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:44,480
because i think there are those people

945
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,120
out there who

946
00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:47,679
who do worry like you know is the show

947
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,760
being shaped by the history channel

948
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:52,399
or um for a particular narrative this

949
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:53,440
that this that but

950
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:56,399
i think you're right we do see um you

951
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:56,799
guys

952
00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:00,080
at a e you're following this company as

953
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:00,960
they grow

954
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,000
you know the narrative we are

955
00:32:07,269 --> 00:32:06,399
following their lead on their narrative

956
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,279
you know what i mean

957
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:10,080
if i was doing this show independently i

958
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:10,399
don't

959
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:14,080
might not be their narrative we the

960
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,039
narrative

961
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,240
the the the fundamental theme right uh

962
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:21,519
that that elizondo and melon believe is

963
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,679
are centered around a national security

964
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,919
threat these guys are that's what they

965
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:28,080
do did for a living and they'd still

966
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,120
consider themselves

967
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,480
in the even though they don't work for

968
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,240
the government what they're doing is

969
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,840
sort of continuing that work in the

970
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:34,960
private sphere

971
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,399
so those themes of national security

972
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,960
and the potential threat right not the

973
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,000
threat the potential

974
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,399
threat that these might pose and what in

975
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,080
trying to identify them

976
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,919
that is their mission and that's what

977
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:49,440
we're trying to follow that's the

978
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,559
simplest way

979
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,840
to to look at how this show came to be

980
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:56,320
and and the framing around the narrative

981
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,440
for some people

982
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,799
some people have problems with that

983
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:00,080
right some people like well they're

984
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,360
fear-mongering and

985
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:03,760
the the you know ufos are how do we know

986
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:04,640
they're they're

987
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:06,880
not here to help us well we don't but

988
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,760
that's

989
00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:10,880
i'm i'm not trying to i i definitely try

990
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:12,799
not to make it a fear-mongering show you

991
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,679
know but i do

992
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,279
but i also am trying to be honest to

993
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,120
like that is their frame

994
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:19,039
for them their national security guys

995
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,559
anything that's unknown

996
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,640
that is showing an interest in in our

997
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:23,679
military

998
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:27,200
is you know by sort of logic right ipso

999
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:27,919
facto

1000
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,880
yeah threat absolutely we don't know

1001
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,000
what it is and

1002
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,919
i think you know the human condition

1003
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,039
itself is we

1004
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:38,320
are a defensive uh species so i mean

1005
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,720
yeah

1006
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,480
everything if we don't know what it is

1007
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:42,240
it is a potential threat i think that's

1008
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,720
a

1009
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:46,000
people it's so divisive in the

1010
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,880
quote-unquote

1011
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,640
ufo community you've got the people who

1012
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,720
believe it's all love and light and

1013
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,480
space brothers and then those who think

1014
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,240
they're going to come and invade and

1015
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:56,159
it's i think the answer is somewhere in

1016
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:58,240
between because we don't know what it is

1017
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,799
and it

1018
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,960
it will always be a potential threat so

1019
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:03,200
no i it makes perfect sense for

1020
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:05,919
a show where you have the former head of

1021
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,320
you know

1022
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,760
counter terrorism and whatnot or someone

1023
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,520
who worked within that sector

1024
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:14,399
um as the main person so yeah yeah i

1025
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:14,720
mean

1026
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:17,040
again we're we're that's what these guys

1027
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,480
that's the frame that they have so

1028
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,359
that's the

1029
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:22,159
we're following so and i think you can

1030
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:23,280
argue whether

1031
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:27,040
with it or not it's not really for me to

1032
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,639
judge it's you know what i mean it's

1033
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,240
like that's that's the story

1034
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,919
all right well this one kind of ties

1035
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,599
into that too anthony raquel

1036
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:36,079
on twitter asks throughout the show

1037
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,119
chris mellon

1038
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,760
elizondo and even steve justice in

1039
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:40,879
raqqael's opinion

1040
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:43,040
she uh stressed uh they give a sense

1041
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:44,399
that they all

1042
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:47,679
know more than they can share on the

1043
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,079
show

1044
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,079
i'm sure you've heard this before is

1045
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,599
this something you're willing to address

1046
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,240
it all

1047
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:54,720
or is raquel just hoping this is the

1048
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:55,520
case

1049
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,280
it's absolutely i think they'd be the

1050
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,119
first to admit it i mean they they

1051
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:01,280
openly admit it they we actually even

1052
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,040
and i'm sure there's places in this

1053
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,560
season where we we kind of

1054
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,160
get meta and reference that as well i

1055
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,359
think in the first season we did there

1056
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:08,880
are moments where lou

1057
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,520
saying look i i remember yeah one time

1058
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,960
he's on the top of that mountain in

1059
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,920
catalina

1060
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,160
and he's like look i know a lot more

1061
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:17,680
about what's going on here but i

1062
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:20,000
i can't tell you and the assumption to

1063
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,119
me is

1064
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,040
there's a lot of sensitive military

1065
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:24,960
sites in that area right

1066
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:28,160
but absolutely they these guys all know

1067
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:28,720
i mean

1068
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:32,640
steve justice is a walking repository of

1069
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:35,440
both the technologies that he worked on

1070
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,240
but also the

1071
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:38,720
the methods right the me of how things

1072
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,599
are tested

1073
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:41,920
the secrets are not just technology

1074
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,320
secrets are sources and methods too

1075
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,599
so all these guys especially as you can

1076
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:48,720
see justice is

1077
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,079
very you know careful to not talk

1078
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:55,440
too much about how things work um

1079
00:36:03,109 --> 00:35:59,520
so they are absolute and you know and

1080
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:03,119
blue um if you take him on face value

1081
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:03,520
that

1082
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:07,599
is primarily like his motivation

1083
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,359
in what he's doing on our show is

1084
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:11,440
because he can't tell you everything he

1085
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,000
knows

1086
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:13,760
he's trying to find other people who

1087
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:16,320
could sort of almost be as proxies

1088
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:19,520
to tell their stories because he can't

1089
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,119
um and that's absolutely true

1090
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:25,200
and though as i said they're the first

1091
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,160
to admit it

1092
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,720
what they know i mean i think it's a

1093
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:29,920
valid question i

1094
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:32,960
i wouldn't i don't disregard anyone and

1095
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:36,000
and that's what i found was very cool

1096
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:36,880
about both

1097
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:39,680
chris and lou as you'll see in this

1098
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:40,240
season

1099
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,200
one and we kind of dig deeper into it in

1100
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,560
season two is

1101
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,400
it's a completely valid question for

1102
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,760
anyone to ask

1103
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,000
whether these guys are still working for

1104
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:53,760
the government and are involved some

1105
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,000
sort

1106
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,720
of disinformation campaign that is a

1107
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:58,800
completely valid question for anyone to

1108
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,280
ask

1109
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,280
because if you know anything about the

1110
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:02,640
intelligence world

1111
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,920
you know that is it would be a pretty

1112
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,400
banana that would be a pretty banana

1113
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:09,680
story in my opinion

1114
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:12,079
but you can never rule that out in the

1115
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,119
world of

1116
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:15,680
intelligence that you know deception is

1117
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,720
at its heart

1118
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:19,280
so it would be naive to think that they

1119
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,079
weren't and

1120
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,520
and what that what the disinformation is

1121
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:24,960
could be many different things they

1122
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,640
could write they could be

1123
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:29,359
are they covering up the reality of ufos

1124
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,240
are they

1125
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:32,079
or is it some sort of limited hangout

1126
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:33,920
where it's like are they part of the

1127
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,359
slow disclosure

1128
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:38,640
or or are they the what you know some

1129
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:39,359
people

1130
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:42,640
say just merely running interference

1131
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:46,480
on advanced uh weapons programs

1132
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:49,440
and um and that's that's their true

1133
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:50,160
mission which

1134
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,880
which again going back to the navy's

1135
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,119
statement that these are not ours

1136
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,480
raises a re the stakes of that claim

1137
00:38:02,550 --> 00:37:59,359
really high

1138
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,560
the navy is is is publicly coming out to

1139
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,480
the public and

1140
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,760
saying that um it's a pretty big deal

1141
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:10,400
right and uh and if you have these guys

1142
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:11,119
running

1143
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:14,960
alleged fiction that

1144
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:18,160
that you know ufos are real and uh

1145
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:20,800
that's not our technology it that to me

1146
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,440
is like

1147
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:22,880
that would be one of the it would be a

1148
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:24,720
really you know one of the bigger

1149
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:25,520
stories right

1150
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,760
yeah it's still a valid question so i

1151
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:29,280
don't i never disperse

1152
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:32,320
anyone to ask that question and and we

1153
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:35,200
and you'll see in this episode season we

1154
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,160
we broach it

1155
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:39,200
uh head on as well oh okay interesting

1156
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,079
that's great yeah

1157
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,079
see there you go i mean you guys you're

1158
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,000
covering all the bases and you know

1159
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,119
like you're not so many of these shows

1160
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,520
they think their audiences are idiots

1161
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:51,119
you know when it comes to this stuff

1162
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,119
and i think something like what you guys

1163
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,400
are doing is you're

1164
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,119
you're stating the facts and you're um

1165
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,240
you know

1166
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:01,839
your audience is a lot smarter than i

1167
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,240
think

1168
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,000
people usually give them credit for when

1169
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:05,839
it comes to the entertainment industry

1170
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:08,320
so um i really respect that i mean

1171
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:09,359
you're

1172
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,160
i think that's

1173
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,160
that's what really sets it apart and um

1174
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:17,599
you did mention

1175
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,960
the navy um and this one kind of just

1176
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,800
popped into my head here um so i might

1177
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,160
as well just ask him in

1178
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,240
army we know to the stars is working

1179
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:28,800
with in a capacity when it comes to

1180
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:31,440
possible materials navy obviously has

1181
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:33,040
been the most vocal about it

1182
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:34,800
why are we not hearing anything from the

1183
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,119
damn air force like the people who we

1184
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,200
think would be the most vocal about all

1185
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,880
this do you have a personal opinion on

1186
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:41,599
that

1187
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,920
a question we literally ask in one in an

1188
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,119
upcoming episode oh

1189
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,599
boom that is the perfect answer i i

1190
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,440
should have known um all right

1191
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,079
it's uh yeah it's you'll see that's

1192
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,400
definitely a question we asked ah cool

1193
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,160
yep but there we go didn't even have to

1194
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,400
ask it um all right so our last listener

1195
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,440
question here anthony

1196
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,000
stephen on twitter asks we know that to

1197
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,760
the stars academy is working with the

1198
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,400
army

1199
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,119
um will the show touch on any of this

1200
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:10,880
when it comes to these

1201
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,400
possible crashed vehicles that we heard

1202
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:16,480
about in the new york times

1203
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:20,400
yeah what's up with that you know i

1204
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,960
yeah i'll i'll speak to that yeah we

1205
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:24,000
actually don't go into

1206
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,119
the the materials um as you know we

1207
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:28,960
considered looking at those

1208
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:31,680
there's just not enough information um

1209
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:32,079
on

1210
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,839
and just that whole

1211
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,359
it's honestly it's almost like its own

1212
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,920
show so really do special on that

1213
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,480
because it is it's just it's also i'll

1214
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,040
just be honest it's just so expensive

1215
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,920
to to actually do the kind of tests that

1216
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,359
need to be done

1217
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:52,319
on those things um we just felt like we

1218
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:52,800
couldn't

1219
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,079
really push the story forward because

1220
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,319
the next level of tests that need to be

1221
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,240
done are so expensive

1222
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,119
that uh we just didn't have the

1223
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:05,440
resources to to really dig into that

1224
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,000
site that

1225
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,480
level of science is somewhat beyond our

1226
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,280
purview

1227
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:11,280
so but i think it's absolutely

1228
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,480
fascinating

1229
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,680
and i can't wait to hear what ttsa

1230
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:17,920
finds with the materials they have in

1231
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:20,000
these other rumored materials around

1232
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,599
you know the whole part of the story

1233
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:23,359
obviously is so huge

1234
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:26,480
because if if any of that

1235
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:29,760
you know proves bears fruit it's going

1236
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,160
to

1237
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,319
you know be a major revelation we just

1238
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,000
we just couldn't figure out a way to

1239
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,599
push the story forward within our

1240
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,400
resources

1241
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,480
yeah yeah that that is the big struggle

1242
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,640
i think in the science scientific world

1243
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,079
alone is um

1244
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,599
trying to get the funding to do

1245
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:45,359
something like that so it makes sense

1246
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,920
that

1247
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:48,400
yeah why not team up with the army who

1248
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:49,359
would have

1249
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,160
uh the resources to do those tests but

1250
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,680
they're going to take time and again i

1251
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,720
think we have to stress

1252
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,960
like if you go if anyone wants answers

1253
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,560
to the ufo question like

1254
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,560
get ready to wait because we've been

1255
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:02,640
waiting for centuries now

1256
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,599
exactly yeah well that's all i have for

1257
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,200
you here anthony um where

1258
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,680
and when can we find unidentified season

1259
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:11,680
two so it's on saturday nights ten

1260
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,160
o'clock

1261
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:14,480
eastern nine central on the history

1262
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,280
channel

1263
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:18,000
and uh and then i think it replays later

1264
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:20,000
but you know set your dvrs if you can't

1265
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,720
watch it

1266
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,040
but yeah pl everyone please tune in you

1267
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,119
know the more people that tune in

1268
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,440
now the more possibility of you getting

1269
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,400
a third season

1270
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,960
so yeah and we better man because i mean

1271
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,119
again i think you guys have made waves

1272
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,800
unlike anything the ufo

1273
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:37,520
community or uh researchers have been

1274
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:38,240
able to do

1275
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,599
in the past 70 years so um you know from

1276
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,319
from one ufo person to the next i i have

1277
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:46,240
to thank you for everything you guys are

1278
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,040
doing

1279
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,560
i can't wait to see what you come up

1280
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,480
with next it was really a pleasure

1281
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,359
talking with you ron

1282
00:42:59,770 --> 00:42:53,520
great show keep up the great work and

1283
00:43:14,800 --> 00:42:59,780
thanks for all the support

1284
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,810
[Music]

1285
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:15,920
[Applause]

1286
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,680
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1287
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,599
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1288
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1289
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:42,720
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1290
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1291
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,760
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